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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:18 pm 
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i know this is prob just abunch of stupid gullible americans but u never know it could be intresting

http://waterforgas.wahms.net/water-for-gas-reviews

apparently a jar, bit of pipeing, water and wire and you can increase mpg by like 50%
fair few youtube videos too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lAWcGe8rL8

what ye think?

waste of time i presume


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If it was that easy it would be taxed :thumbdown


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Gaudy colours, awful design, stupid wording designed to fool people into parting cash, fake product/info images ... all screams bulls**t to me.

Besides .... American ... :fingers :bang


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Well - theres a bit of a discussion on this technology over on MGRover.org. Both a respected diesel tuner and our own reidyremaps (pocketbikeuk, aka Matt Reidy) are looking into the product. Matt himself has fitted a similar ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HHO-CELL-HYDRO...item2557e85cb1 ) system and swears blind that there is a benefit...

The jury is out though, as are the sceptics and torch-burners - watch this space and I'll update as I hear stuff...


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Very interesting, and something I'd not thought about was the emissions... which raises something I've always wondered; if you are able to reduce the emissions of your vehicle, permanently, under the new tax bands, are you allowed to pay less tax?


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I think you can, certainly can with regard to LPG conversions etc. You'd need some sort of 'certificate' to enforce your argument though...


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Must say, I'm certainly intrigued. Looks like it needs to be tweaked and perfected for each vehicle, but if it's really effective, hopefully garages will start offering it as a common service.


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As said in the second quote I posted - the American police are already beginning to fit similar items to their cars. So there must be something in it...


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so what increase do you think you would get on a 1.6 coupe?? i would be tempted but 100 quid is quite steep!!!


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but really at the end of the day all that matters is how much petrol u put into the thing the energy conversons dont matter if you end up saving fuel! as its the fuel that ends up making the energy for the battery, if u know what i mean


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The whole principle is pretty sound - using current from the battery to electrolyse water into hydrogen and oxygen, then feeding it into the intake manifold.

Pure hydrogen can be used in a petrol engine with very little modification, so a petrol / hydrogen mixture would work fine (I'm guessing the issue would be more heat generated)

The problem is with the current required to do the hydrolysis. A guy I know used to run a hydrolyser in his Jeep Cherokee, but used it for an extra power boost rather than constant increased MPG. Apparently there was a guy who worked out a way of doing it with high voltage and low current - but as is the way with such stories he died and took the plans to the grave


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I'll send him a PM and ask if he feels like contributing to this thread. I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't though, got flamed pretty badly on .ORG from all the nay-sayers :(

edit: as of 1030-04022010 - PM Sent, awaiting reply...


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I'd say right off the block it's a load of Ball Ox.

Have not read this yet but here's an article on the same subject:



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I think it's a similar case to electric superchargers. I'll explain:

The fleaBay type superchargers aren't going to work because they have a crappy motor and can't pull much air. If, however, you know much about model aircraft, you can get a decent motor and prop that will move a serious volume of air. Enough to increase power by a decent amount

In the same vane, if you know how to make an effective electrolyser, then I think there will be a noticable difference. Though I haven't worked out if an overall MPG increase is possible or just short bursts of power...


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Well, with the imminant closure of the forums I'll guess we'll never know unless he replies soon. My PM hasn't been sent yet, so Matt aint been online...


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