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since july this year stoke on trent council has been pursuing the removal of "BOY RACERS" car meets and cruises from the site of the formal garden festival in stoke.

they now have permission hand out various penalties to boy racers and the like in the area of the festival park.and what do i find most interesting of all.....when the police were asked about the injunction they said

“Car cruising” has been defined as a congregation of the drivers of two or more vehicles between the hours of 7pm and 7am within Festival Park. Additional rules apply.

so by that respect if we were to have a car meet at festival park it would be termed illegal.

they are expecting to extended the ban to daytime sat and sunday...........

warwickshire council has applied for summat similar and they expect to win a ruling where police can intercept a convoy of 5 or more cars they term "could be racing"

many councils are expected to follow this lead

the end of the car meet as we know it?


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incidently this appeared in the local paper a few weeks ago.its seems they now congregate elsewhere and anti scial behaviour has increased in the time since they moved them from festival park...........so the very thing they were trying to stop has increased by moving them off a place where they were out of the way....the mind boggles
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this isnt as bad as it sounds thou daz, im a member of a cumbrian forum mainly coz there big petrol heads and know alot and they have there council in on everything the site does from meets to taking an active part in the forum, all meets are planned and the local council is told about them so why couldnt we do the same, i know were not a local forum but theres nothing stopping us contacting the said council and asking for permission


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Ya usually you need a permit for such things, which usually involves cash in hand.


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aparntly five councils want to follow stokes lead.thats quite a lot


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Festival park or "Fezzy park" as people call it has been notorious for boy racers for the last god knows how many years (at least 15 as i know it). Im surprised the police/council didnt think of this earlier!


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its not surprise is it steve?


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thedupleman wrote:
“Car cruising” has been defined as a congregation of the drivers of two or more vehicles between the hours of 7pm and 7am within Festival Park. Additional rules apply.


Isn't that also called a "car park"? I often congregate with other drivers - buying tickets, queuing etc...

Silly rules. If its a council owned car park and if the drivers are causing an offence why not use the CCTV for something useful? Then go and arrest them.

Seems to me this is a rule invented because they don't like yuths on their property.

Alternatively they could actually employ a car park attendant... but that would mean less headlines.


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Nottinghamshire did this a year or so ago.

Yes it has calmed down a small number of boy racers and unsociable instances, but apart from the odd few, it proved unable to make a convoy illegal and implement it (simply because everyone claimed that they werent in a convoy, it was then upto the police to tie in usernames with cars from websites etc and wasnt worth the hassle), all it did increase was the number of section 59 offences (the old 171).


a section 59 is basically a get-out clause for the police, you dont actually have to have done anything wrong to get a section 59. You can be done for causing a disturbance or annoying other motorists etc to get a section 59, they use this as a warning, if you are issued with a second one then they impound your can and charge you £100+ to get it back.


The issue that they have is that they move people out from being calm in a location that everyone is comfortable with and has no issue, and inevitable force people back onto the road, thus leading to More racing, incidents etc. i do believe Nottinghamshire constabulary released a full document on the outcome of the trial and the main points were that it cost more to operate these laws, that accidents and complaints actually rose and that it wouldnt recommend a national law regarding it.



question:
I am travelling with a group of football fans en-route to an away game, there are 2000 fans and hundreds of cars that could be in a convoy. What would the police do for this? bearing in mind that being a football fan already allieves you of most of your human rights anyway


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draconian isnt it.stoke council have ban on for 2 years.


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Surely this is an infringment of human rights.


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staffs and nottingham are noted as being car enthusiast unfriendly


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The thing here is all the people commentating are outsiders looking in. If you’d have ever taken a midweek venture to Festival Park you’d see the problem first hand. Not only were the Chavs sitting in their badly tarted up Saxa’s revving the nuts out of their cars having fitted an exhaust bigger than most people’s dust bin and booming out undistinguishable noise with a bass box that would have drowned out the noise of a jumbo Jet taking off but they were doing their best to keep Michelin in business by burning enough rubber in their attempt to create crop circles with their tyres on the roads and car parks whilst at the same time not giving 1 iota of a damn about anyone else on the road, these “fun” and “harmless” activities carried on into the small hours of the morning when they’d use what fuel they had left to race each other home. A lot of them were uninsured had no MOT or tax or were driving dangerously and poorly modded cars with bald tyres faulty brakes etc. There have been many serious accidents around the site with quite a few deaths within a small area involving these Chav’s trying to race their cars. The police and Council tried everything in their powers to stop all this before applying to the courts for the current order, speed humps were installed, speed cameras were installed, gates were put up on the entrance to the car parks but it didn’t stop them they’d park anywhere blocking exits to companies and doing their best to keep the local road sweepers employed by dropping enough litter to make the area a pig sty. They’d had numerous warnings but just stuck 2 fingers up and carried on doing exactly what they wanted.

Thanks to them anyone who has modded their car in anyway has now become the attention of the local Police who will stop you for absolutely anything.


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fair comment mr t.i know there have been deaths through stupid chavs racing on roads in stoke and as you say the morning after looked like a bomb site.nobody on fezzie park is mourning their loss


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Thats why fox hunting should be changed legally to chav hunting. :innocent


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they should just ban chavs full stop


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having mainly 4 or 5 members for our meets u think we would be ok???hahaha

thats shocking tho. kinda cant blame them for stopping chavs in thier saxo/corsa yokes esp if they are dangerous and causing accidents, but surely they cops can spot trouble in the shape of those ASBOs and a group of sensible adults meeting to discuss their motors. we just need to get some sensible adults on here, (like the ones who help u use scissors for Art Attack!) and we are laughing!!!


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I wonder if we wanted to meet there a letter to the owners/council explaining what was intended would gain the permission required to hold a 'sensible' meet.


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Well the Liverpool airport meet will have no problems ... so that will be going ahead :)


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i think thats the way most people will go.........private meets private grounds


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this isnt a new thing, in 2006 I was handed a section 59 for meeting in a carpark (yes dupe, it was a car meet, I wasn't dogging) I wasnt in the car, and there was no music on etc, so how I could be classed as being antisocial I'm not sure..

the way in which a meet is conducted has a lot to do with if the police will use their powers they have had at their disposal for a long time. round here, the police will drive through a meet, but not break it up as long as everyone conducts themselves in a responsable manner, first rev of engine, or wheelspin there's hell to pay, the meet will be broken up and in worse case section 59s handed out.

as a organisation the coupe community must be seen to be against bad driving, street racing etc, which is in part why I ban it in places I have control over it, and on here make a point that that sort of driving isn't big or clever. all it takes is one grump to spot a ukhcs sticker on a car look search for any post on here to prove we are all reckless boy racers and then rally up everyone at the community meetings to make sure we never have a meeting in (for example) birmingham again.


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You did have an antisocial ponytail though, and your car does stand out a bit.


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i was amazed up your end though how easy going the police were.down in stoke they have no tolerance at all of modified cars but as tatlock rightly points out there were lots of chavs in unfit cars causing trouble so maybe thats the problem!


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I think you hit the nail on the head there dupe, its not the fact the cars are modified but the fact that there is a spread of ages (drivers and cars), levels of modification etc. that is in our favour. But and its a big BUT if we get one loony doing inappropriate driving at one of our meets then it would be curtains as none of us want trouble from the old bill.

There is also enough evidence on both sites of the attitude of declaring modifications to insurance companies and driving within the rules of the road, which are both encouraged. These chavs that drive barely legal vehicles give all car clubs a bad name (and they probably don't even belong to a car club anyway) and should be banned from the highway anyway. Trouble is, banning them won't work as they are probably the type of person that will drive without a licence anyway which somehow only gets them another ban :shrug but thats the start of a whole new thread ;)


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We had a police van drive through the carpark at brum, but they just drove past and never came over.


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We had a police van drive through the carpark at brum, but they just drove past and never came over.



Thats happened at a few of the meets there, they just give us a once over, realise its not going to develop into anything mad and leave, see there is an advantage in having us old fogeys tagging along ;)


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I wonder if we wanted to meet there a letter to the owners/council explaining what was intended would gain the permission required to hold a 'sensible' meet.

If you're ever planning to come to Stoke again then there won't be a problem the order is in place for the hours between 7pm to 7am, so at the moment ther's no need to contact the police or council. If things do change though I'll make the effort to post it on here.


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remember when the copper came to us at the village on kev n bex's meet scout? he was dead interested nin the cars!


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We also had a copper at the 1st Rivington meet, he owned a sillycar and we did our best to convince him that the coupe was better. Much more interested in the cars rather than what trouble we may cause :rollin . Of course thats also a way of guaging weather there would be any trouble from a particular group, talk to them :b .


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